Debating Destiny On College Being A Scam
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He’s not wrong. Most decent jobs now require a degree, so unless you are going after a trade, or are able to become an entrepreneur early on without years of experience, then college makes the most sense.
People go to college now smart and leave stupid communist activists. There isn’t a single good reason to go to college. Unfortunately, some jobs require it, even though the courses they have to take don’t actually teach them the job they’re trying to get. Gor example, med school has very little to do with ACTUALLY treating patients.
and a good amount of trades require some amount of training/schooling before you even get to start learning in the job, i.e. electricians need 1 year of electrical schooling before being able to get a apprenticeship (at least where I live)
Not wrong, but not right either.
Unfortunately, Destiny is right. Many people are simply not suited for entrepreneurship or careers in the top 1%. When you consider the correlation between IQ and wealth, it becomes clear that, from a statistical standpoint, most individuals fall within the average range on a normal distribution curve. For the majority, pursuing higher education remains the most viable path toward a high-paying job. While IQ is not a perfect measure of intelligence, increased studying and academic effort generally lead to better outcomes and greater opportunities.
No one is right in this conversation, everyone has their own situation, college isnt for everyone, and neither is trade school
What is being argued is say, if you decided to be a police officer for your whole life, then you are losing the opportunity to make that salary for 4 years. Without school there you lose other opportunities. These are just opportunity trade offs
@@walkerhungate7774 the idea that people can’t suck it up and work towards success, and instead “need” a path perfectly tailored to them, is the single biggest fallacy that’s leading the most people towards failure
Me with a BSc that i found to be most valuable and have absolutely ZERO regrets for the 4 years i “wasted” 😐
Now what if you racked up 3 years of debt and didn’t have the degree? Would that be a different story for you?
@@Dr.Wrektem He said better to wander aimlessly in college than not in college. Recheck the video. You should take it seriously and have a plan before you go to college. If you agree with this, then you agree with me. This is not what Destiny is advising though.
He’s absolutely right. I actually can’t believe you responded by saying “but who’s to say they can’t do that?” when he talked about having a job in the 1% of the 1%er’s. Like by definition the majority of people CAN’T do that or else it wouldn’t be in the top 1% of the 1%.
Wondering aimlessly at college will cost you DECADES of student loan payments, for a degree you likely didn’t need, to get a job that pays the same as mine. That my friend is a horrible value proposition.
So make someone else money while you waste your time playing beer pong ? Cool buddy.
@@blackdolphin8643 my friends got an engineering degree…the lowest paid guy makes 90k but works 3 days a week for the state. Now that i have a kid in hs, we’re spending 20 min every week, jst lookin n researching college…
hes kind of right but kind of wrong you need to be studying the right stuff for it to be worth it especially if you’re taking on a good chunk of debt
In general college is totally worth it. Statistics back it up. If you strawman it and say college will put you $100k in debt then of course it sounds dumb but most people I know graduate with under 20k and land a 6 figure job. It’s way less risky than doing a startup
Well, how do statistics back it up? Eavery statistic i’ve seen simply compares college graduates earnings, to non college graduates. The problem there is that there is the confounding variable of IQ, people with a higher IQ are more likely to earn more over there lifetime and are also more likely to go to college. We really don’t know if the college education is actually increasing wages, or if smart people are simply more likely to both go to college and earn more.
Even if college does increase people’s earning power, is that due to the education they are receiving, or is it because having a college diploma is a signal to employers that this individual both has a high IQ, and is able to show up on time?
For me personally, I use virtually none of my college education in my job, it’s a real shame that I had to dedicate four years in order to get a diploma to signal to employers that I was worth hiring. Maybe we should work on alternative signals that young individuals can cultivate, perhaps something like a high IQ test, along with a good work history it could serve as an alternative to a college degree?
If you look at how many people graduate college and then get a job and use the degree they studied. You will find it is in fact pointless. Trade school is a better option for the majority of people
You probably should look at the trades there is a shortage so they are year on year worth more and more. College is worth alot less since the debt weighs everything down.
Jobs are not really abundant right now. I know someone who can’t even get an internship right now with a degree. I can’t even find a job at the local Walmart or McDonald’s.
Hmm.. 4 years of mass debt, and then a 10 year long period to break even on something you can only make money in 1 space.
Vs
Slow compounding skill growth over 1 year, then Steady income growth from self employment over 4 years.
Id choose option B. It gets you stable income by the time option A breaks even.
all i want to say is we need more of this kind of content
This really depends on what you want to do with your life . For certain jobs you need college . To be successful though you don’t need it . I can’t stand the college elitists looking down on people who don’t go college as being stupid .
Destiny actively states and believes that nobody can make good money without a degree. Refuses to believe the stats of tradesman that make 100-200k a year. He thinks non-college graduates are the scum of the earth
Big fan of you glad your still active
@@blackdolphin8643how long will you be working that trade till 60?🤣🤣🤣🤣
We need to respect each other. Trades and studying something to gain knowledge are both important for the society. Being educated doesn’t make you a better person than someone else, but you also can’t devalue education because some educated people are assholes.
@@blackdolphin8643 Actually you’re literally making that up, he has explicitly said the opposite and has never even implied what you’re saying, can you post a single piece of evidence?
“You’re not going to be at Facebook”. Facebook is where you go to take orders and keep your head down lol.
The point destiny is trying to make is that the structure of college leads to a lot of undirected people being more competent in the long run.
If you REALLY REALLY want to do something specific that’s something else but his point is that wandering around in college is far more effective than wandering around in the real world.
If you’re gonna ‘wander aimlessly’, better to do so while not accruing crippling debt.
Community college is free for many people
A 0.001 percent YouTuber saying learning is bad!!!! Do what I did!!….. what a laugh.
Don’t agree about the wandering aimlessly part but he does have a point about what the average person is capable of
It depends on your upbringing and career goals. Coming from a low-income background, getting into higher education really improved my chances of earning a higher income in the future. I also chose to study economics, which tends to be one of the more financially rewarding degrees.
That said, I actually disagree with the idea that everyone should rush into college or university. Taking a gap year or two to figure out what you want to do can be really helpful. Not everyone is suited for higher education right away, and that’s totally okay
Agreed! 🎉
I agree. Though parents can be the real changer if they allow it..
He’s right about it being better to wander aimlessly through college rather than outside of college. BUT he fails to recognize that education today is more like an indoctrination machine and not a place where free thinking is encouraged. That can massively stunt a population. So at a high level modern college just keeps us held back.
College will walk you through exactly how to earn six figures. It’s like following a recipe, all you have to do is show up and do as you’re told. It’s about as easy as success can be. If you’re not working 100hrs a week like Graham, entrepreneurship will chew you up and spit you out. Just go to college and be strategic about it. I only incurred 35k in debt, because I sought out scholarships and funding. I got paid an $1800/mo stipend to attend grad school via a govt. scholarship. Had my debt paid off less than two years after graduation. Household income now is north of 300k/yr (married a woman with a degree who also earns 6+). We both work remote, it’s a good life. I feel bad for these kids being taught that school is bad, for many, it’s your best chance at earning a nice living. I don’t even like Destiny, but I agree with him on this one.
“Look at us? Who’s to say others can’t do that” literally every successful society. If everyone tries to become a creative or another YouTuber god forbid, then who keeps infrastructure going, farming our food, teaching our children, engineering our next best thing? Social media has melted your brain, 90% of secondary education courses aren’t philosophers, gender studies students, etc. and actually have a use in society.
Coming from a poor immigrant family, college gave me opportunity to grow in life, travel, and get a high paying job in corporate banking. Not everyone is a youtube tik tok influencer
The median lifetime earnings difference between those with Bachelor’s Degrees and high school graduates is $1.2 million in the U.S.
If you didn’t go to college you probably don’t even remember what median means
It’s a mathematical fact that only 1% of people can have the top 1% of careers 🤷♂️ that said college definitely isn’t for everyone.